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    Quote Originally Posted by loner View Post
    You believe all that or is it a paste from Microsoft tech? Since Microsoft became the dominant leader in the software area their loyal followers tend to expect better than what the average. Users may not like changing whats not broken at least till they get used to it. The OS could of been planned with that in mind and still make necessary changes for security. If users are given a choice to use a classic interface or the current one, don't most try to learn the new interface at a pace they are more comfortable with? Microsoft makes a very good product as a rule but have made some flops that users were either stuck with or went back to a OS they like better. The thing is that with the changing technologies the makers of softwares are trying very hard to keep up with the competition and still make a good product that consumers will want.

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    Nothing cut and past, just facts and how it really is... Really, name one OS that appeals to everyone? Name one that has multiple customizations that don't involve you altering the installation? Name one that came out perfect on the first day of release?

    Even Linux, lots of people don't like Unity... There isn't just another default, you have to get rid of unity and replace it! How is that any different from using a 3rd party solution to change how Windows 8 works to the way you prefer?

    Explain why even Linux, which only has about 5% of the personal computer market has over 600 different distros if there was any version that could even remotely appeal to everyone? It's not like Open Source doesn't allow the people to have direct influence over the OS design and development, yet even among a smaller group of users there is nothing resembling a consensus!

    While the UI isn't all they changed with Windows 8 and the Modern UI is literally a new OS merged with the old to preserve legacy support. Modern UI apps for example are run sand boxed, just like Linux apps!



    As the chart shows they just got the kernel in common... really, making a OS more power efficient, faster, and more secure... along with introducing new capabilities and range of functionality go beyond just changing the UI... So there's a lot more different about the Modern UI than just how it looks!

    It's just because the Modern UI side needs more time to develop and gets a larger range of apps, along with not wanting to give up legacy support right away that Windows 8 was made a hybrid of old and new!

    And no, all those changes aren't something that can be easily done... really, it has been tried numerous times before and every time the attempt has failed... Windows 8 has lasted longer than any of those previous attempts and still has a chance of being successful if they keep on improving it... So far it looks like it just needs time, which is what most versions of Windows tend to always need... And most other OS tend to also require time to improve as well... Just because a product is out of Beta doesn't mean it's bug free or that they're done with it.

    Browsers, OS, etc all evolve over time and there's a difference from expecting better from expecting the impossible... Advance changes to something as big and complicated as a desktop OS takes time to do, let alone perfect! And time can't always be wasted waiting for a product to be perfected so many just release it when it works okay and then keep on working on it over time.

    Even with something simpler like Mobile OS things take time... When Android made the switch to tablets from phones, it took a whole lot of changes before they finally merged the 3.x (tablets) and 2.x (phones) with 4.x for a single version to cover all devices... but even then they never stopped making changes... adding support for 7" as well as phone and full size tablets... and now they're working on a desktop mode, similar to what they did for Chrome. All of which took years of development and a mobile OS is a lot easier to change than a desktop OS!

    Even the Buttery Smooth feature is something that is still a work in progress, along with other features of Android... and iOS as well has a long list of changes they've done over the years... even though it pretty much looks the same but a lot has changed...

    So lets keep expectations a little more realistic and give them more time!

    After all, it's not like we have to rush... Windows 7 will still be supported until 2020, and even mainstream support won't end till 2015... So it will still be treated like a new product till then! Along with all the other alternatives... While plenty of 3rd party solutions exist if you'd rather Windows 8 worked a little differently...

    Mind, Windows 8 supports emerging new technologies... So the only real pressure is not wanting to not be able to make the most of these new features and capabilities but we'd have to move over to a new OS regardless because the old ones won't support these new technologies because they weren't designed to and it would take more than a minor update to make them capable of supporting them!
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    The consumers are the deciding factor on weather a OS, a product line or even a corporation survives in the end. Competition paves the way for future success or failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loner View Post
    The consumers are the deciding factor on weather a OS, a product line or even a corporation survives in the end. Competition paves the way for future success or failure.
    Yes, the consumers are the deciding factor on whether any product survives or not. Competition not only helps pave the way for future success or failures but also helps motivate progress and improvements...

    But if it was easy to create the ideal OS then it not only would have been done already but everyone would be doing it!

    Thus both existing and growing alternative options will take time to develop and we'll see where it goes from there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeo View Post
    Yes, the consumers are the deciding factor on whether any product survives or not. Competition not only helps pave the way for future success or failures but also helps motivate progress and improvements...

    But if it was easy to create the ideal OS then it not only would have been done already but everyone would be doing it!

    Thus both existing and growing alternative options will take time to develop and we'll see where it goes from there...
    The consumers has spoken!
    Microsoft Restores Start Button, Adds Search to Windows

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...o-windows.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by loner View Post
    The consumers has spoken!
    Microsoft Restores Start Button, Adds Search to Windows

    Microsoft Updates Windows Software After Complaints - Bloomberg

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    @_@ Search was always there... they just expanded on its capabilities!

    While the Start Button is just something they're tacking on to use instead of the hot corner to bring up either the Start Screen or All Apps Menu...

    The improvements to multi-tasking is more interesting... up to three ModernUI apps can now be snapped, per screen (so you can multiply that by the number of monitors you have set up), and you can adjust how much of the screen each takes up now as well... Along with other improvements...

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    I am glad to see Microsoft make the changes this quickly in Windows 8 and listen to their consumers. A wise decision for a major corporation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvdcatalyst View Post
    Windows 8 does take a bit to get used to.

    When I got a new tower last November, it came with Win8, and Best Buy did offer some form of instruction with it. When they asked and I said I didn't want it, I actually had to sign something stating that I didn't take the instruction they offered.

    My intention with the tower was Windows 7, so Win8 lasted as long as it took me to see if the tower worked fine.

    I do have a few Windows 8 devices though. I use a Surface Pro and an Acer W700, both running Windows 8, and I have a Surface RT as well.

    Win8 works well with touch-screen devices, but to use it as a work-system, a desktop with a non-touch screen attached to it, everything is a bit cumbersome. I always have multiple apps open, and the new interface doesn't work well with that. EVen on the tablets, I find myself more in classic desktop mode than in the new interface.
    You really should try windows 8 on a desktop when you have time to spare. It really is a huge improvement from windows 7. Trust me on this.

    If you want to use your desktop like your old windows 7 interface but still have all the benefits of windows 8, you can install classic shell to get back the start menu (it also boots straight into the desktop environment) and you can follow these instructions to disable to the charms bar, which will effectively hide the metro UI for good.

    The few people who I've convinced to give windows 8 a fair chance on their desktop have reported back being happy with it without losing any productivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loner View Post
    You believe all that or is it a paste from Microsoft tech? Since Microsoft became the dominant leader in the software area their loyal followers tend to expect better than what the average. Users may not like changing whats not broken at least till they get used to it. The OS could of been planned with that in mind and still make necessary changes for security. If users are given a choice to use a classic interface or the current one, don't most try to learn the new interface at a pace they are more comfortable with? Microsoft makes a very good product as a rule but have made some flops that users were either stuck with or went back to a OS they like better. The thing is that with the changing technologies the makers of softwares are trying very hard to keep up with the competition and still make a good product that consumers will want.

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    I don't agree with this.

    People will always choose the the old over new features given the chance. Take a look at aero. There was a choice given to the user to switch back to classic view, and people were still crying bloody murder because they didn't like the new look. I remember very clearly reading all the hate posts about aero. What it proved was that even given a choice people will still complain about the new UI.

    And I'm just barely old enough to remember the switch between booting into windows from DOS and booting directly into windows from default. And sure enough, there were a few DOS die hards that complained about this.

    I don't think the folks in MS are idiots. I think they have more than adequate data to tell them what most real people want, and the market is geared toward honest to god real people, not a few die-hard geeks here and there.
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